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Nth prime minister

would the people WP:edit warring over whether Polish premierships should be numbered please resolve their differences here, as you are both violating the WP:three revert rule, which can get your editing rights suspended.

It may be helpful to note that a possible reason why no European country follows the US convention of post numbering is to avoid arguments about where you start counting. 𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 13:33, 16 April 2025 (UTC)

This is not just in here but in multiple articles, like in Hanna Suchocka, Jan Olszewski, Jarosław Kaczyński and Włodzimierz Cimoszewicz.

While i respect that he removes the orders in the articles of the prime ministers and Presidents the problem is that he also adds photos that are,
lower quality, very old, less natural-looking, too zoomed in.
it's basically the same thing if you add a photo of Donald Trump as a child, but it honestly depends on how their appearance has changed.

Also the numbers based on the order make it less weird and much better to identify the exact order of the prime ministers during this time, in my opinion.

And the countries that the ip stated were countries like : Spain, France, Italy or [[Portugal] the difference behind them is that they have been Western Countries and at the exact same time was a communist country.

while it is true that the office of prime minister existed in Communist Poland, The country was being ruled by the First Secretary Of the PZPR.
And at the same time these western countries had offices that were never abolished or were in the same type of government (democratic governments) and even today they are in the same government meaning it's unnecessary in these countries mainly because there have been too much of them.

also just because i added the orders does not mean that they are "US styled"

Anyway, that's all.

𝕸𝖆𝖑𝖇𝖔𝖗𝖐𝕳𝖎𝖘𝖙𝖔𝖗𝖎𝖆𝖓 14:18, 16 April 2025 (UTC)

What WP:RS evidence do you have for Polish prime-ministers being numbered (and yes, in the US style) as a widely accepted norm (despite nowhere else in Europe using that system?

• Which RS says that you should start after the fall of communism? (Soviet occupation). Why? Why not?
• What about the quisling government during the Nazi occupation? The Polish government in exile? Why? Why not?
• What about the inter-war years? Why? Why not?
• The Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth? (Extreme case if relevant at all, but if the same issue would arise with Prime Ministers of the United Kingom of (a) Great Britain and Northern Ireland (1922- (b) Great Britain and Ireland (1801-1921) (c) Great Britain (1707-1800) (d) England (?-1707)
• Functionally the same role but different title

None, I suspect.

So in reality it is much more difficult (and thus a WP:NOR and WP:NPOV violation) to assign numbers to Polish prime-ministers and the real fault is that numbers have been attached to Hanna Suchocka, Jan Olszewski, Jarosław Kaczyński and Włodzimierz Cimoszewicz.

(The images are a separate issue and you need to create a separate discussion topic. But let's resolve the order first.) 𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 16:27, 16 April 2025 (UTC)